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and I'm here with Ryan Sprague this is

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the alien Con 2018 in Baltimore it's

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been a very busy weekend yeah I know I

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barely been able to to you know sit down

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and like have a drink with you or

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anything it's just insane

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every minute people are doing stuff here

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that's not possible this time no like

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Ryan's the author of somewhere in the

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skies

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there's subtitle as a human approach to

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an alien problem phenomenon phenomenon

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that news I mean you think I knows it is

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probably sure I am your publisher anyway

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this you have a fantastic book and I was

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so excited to publish it when we did

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that over a year ago now Thank You Ella

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people a little bit about what you did

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was sure yeah when I first approached

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you I I wanted to write a book with you

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and that had always been like a goal of

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mine was to not only write a UFO book

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but to work with you on that and we

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really tried to put our heads together

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on what could I do what could I

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contribute to the conversation what

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hasn't really been done before and for

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me I grew up in New York as a playwright

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mm-hmm characters were always my big

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thing I love how people tick what

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motivates them how they change

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throughout the process of a play that's

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what you did for people who've had

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experiences likely I wanted to meld

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those things together and get to know

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the people yeah that like a dozen or so

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cases I think of people maybe more who

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have had intense experiences with the

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unexplainable or with UFO phenomena some

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of them are incredible actually they're

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all interesting some are just off the

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charts amazing yeah what what strikes

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you is the most incredible thing about

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the whole experience of these these

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people yeah I mean I think when I first

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started I my goal was to find the

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pattern that one singular answer to all

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of it and

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of course you know I should have known

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going in it wasn't gonna be that easy

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you know these things are messy they're

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non-linear many times memories can be

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faulty and everything in between so it

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was a huge learning process interviewing

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these people whether it was through

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phone Skype face-to-face and trying to

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make sense of it all as they're still

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trying to make sense of it in their own

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life did you come out of the book was a

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single theory like these people had

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extraterrestrial encounters or these

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people saw ghosts or these people had

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something happen in their mind like did

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you have is there something where you're

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coming out of it where you can conclude

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this is happening no which I think is

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it's sobering it's maybe a little

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depressing but at the same time there is

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no one conclusion for any of this I had

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people who had a abduction experience

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and thought it was miraculous spiritual

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I had people who had a UFO sighting that

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thought it it possibly could have been

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paranormal they had poltergeist activity

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with a UFO event it just it ran a

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spectrum that I I wasn't really looking

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forward that was my takeaway as well

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like that you there were a variety of

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different outcomes of some of these

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experiences some of which word seemed to

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me very clearly extraterrestrial if I

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may just say but others that seemed very

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clearly going in other directions oh

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absolutely yeah I mean there were some

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that I can't deny there that to me

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personally it had to be and I'm not

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saying it it's alien but it's alien but

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at the same time there's so much mystery

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and things we don't know out there

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whether it's through science whether

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it's through a religion whether it's

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through academics history there's so

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much we still don't know and all of

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these people are experiencing that in

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their own ways through their own lens

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and I think that's actually really cool

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and exciting and whatever they take out

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of it that's cool one thing I actually

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love about your book is to think the

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single thing that stands out with me is

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how their experience transform them like

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one thing we have to say about the UFO

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phenomenon is that it is profound in

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how it affects people whether for good

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or for ill and I think that that comes

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through in your treatment of each

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individual's experience well thank you I

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mean again I I go back to my playwriting

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professors who said your place should

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start and end with the most pivotal

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moment in someone's life otherwise why

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are we following them why are we

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dropping into their life's in that

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moment it's got to change them and you

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know you've spoken to so many

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experiences UFO witnesses as well that

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can be a very pivotal moment in their

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lives or it might not they might have

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had the experience and moving on but for

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a lot of the people that I've spoken to

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this change their lives impacted I think

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for most people who've had these types

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of experiences it's very very powerful

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very important for them I think so yeah

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and that's what I wanted to convey and I

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know I've only begun there's so many

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more stories to tell I don't think

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there's any other book quite like what

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you did I mean I was trying to think

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about this that captures like a variety

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of experiences you didn't put these

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people through hypnotic regression you

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just had them tell their story and that

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itself is really interesting and and

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they're individually very profound

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stories at least in many of the cases I

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think so yeah it was never my intention

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to give them an answer or to be a

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therapist but I was a listening ear and

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I was a outlet for them to get their

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story out there and have their have

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their voices be heard because sometimes

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that should enough for these people to

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just get it out there it can be closure

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and it can be that impetus to keep

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searching for the answers well this is

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Ryan this is his book somewhere in the

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phenomenon and it's a really

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well-written book and you need to do two

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more of these oh we're not done then

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alright Korea sure another link for the